Denied SCU heavy containment access

[Porrin]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
I will make this quick and simple since this suggetion is quite self explanatory just from the tittle itself. SCUs should be able to open both blast doors in primary and secondary. Every single time I hop on SCU to assist with a SCP breach, I am incapable of going to HCZ because all E11 are assisting with the RC of the breached SCP and I have to wait for someone to open the door, which most of the time results in the RC of the SCP before I can get the blast door opened. I do not see a reason for SCUs not being able to open the blast doors since their job is quite literally to RC SCPs, and the inability to open these 2 blast doors hinders that very purpose.

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
Not that I am aware of.

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
SCUs are able to attend faster to the RC of breached SCPs. They do not have to wait long periods of time for nothing and may help E11 when they have low numbers.

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
The only mayor thing I can think of is doing E11's job, but then why would SCUs even exist in the first place if they are not meant to help RC SCPs?

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
I rarely see any SCUs on during code 5s, and I think this is a mayor reason for it. Allowing SCUs to open blast doors and go to HCZ without having to wait for E11 or C4 personnel makes it easier to do your job and is overall more fun than waiting for more than 10 minutes in front of a door just to hear that the SCP has already been RC while you waited.

 

[Tryolas_1919]

+support

 

[Texas]

-Support this will prob be denied again also SCUs aren’t trusted enough to have overused

 

[Porrin]

-Support this will prob be denied again also SCUs aren’t trusted enough to have overused

May you specify your reason for this opinion? SCU requirements are already hard as they are, maybe even more than E11 PVT. I do not see a reason for the distrust you have in them, since they require 2 liscences, level 15+ in 3 different categories and total level 50. I believe they have the right to be given the same trust as E11 to overide lockdowns. Ever since I began playing I haven't heard about any SCU misbehaving or "trolling" in any way.

 

[Emilia Foddg]

-Support
This has been suggested countless times and always denied on the basis that not only can SCUs be reliably trusted with this access, but giving too much BD access to F makes breaches more unfair against SCPs, as well as raids being unfair to CI/GOC. As a former E-11 CPT and current 096 main, I generally agree with this notion.

 

[Porrin]

-Support
This has been suggested countless times and always denied on the basis that not only can SCUs be reliably trusted with this access, but giving too much BD access to F makes breaches more unfair against SCPs, as well as raids being unfair to CI/GOC. As a former E-11 CPT and current 096 main, I generally agree with this notion.

Making it more fair for the SCPs does sound like a valid point. I do not agree with the whole SCUs not being trusted thing but I do agree that giving them access to open HCZ blast doors can make it harder for SCPs to breach. Even then, why do SCUs even exist if they just get stuck behind a impenetrable door everytime there is a breach. It makes it so you have to either already be in HCZ or be lucky enough to stumble C4 personnel or E11 on your way there.

 

[Federschwert]

While I do understand the sentiment and frankly the idea of SCUs being less trustworthy than other units is just unsubstantiated rumourmilling in my eyes - this is resolvable in roleplay.

Samantha and Kennedy have both provisioned a degree of support to GSD-Medical's subregiment being able to gain a CL4 to operate bulkheads.

I do absolutely believe that with further roleplay, we can have Site Administration throw further support for US-GSD in provisioning bulkhead-operating keycards to further aid with breach response.

 

[Porrin]

While I do understand the sentiment and frankly the idea of SCUs being less trustworthy than other units is just unsubstantiated rumourmilling in my eyes - this is resolvable in roleplay.

Samantha and Kennedy have both provisioned a degree of support to GSD-Medical's subregiment being able to gain a CL4 to operate bulkheads.

I do absolutely believe that with further roleplay, we can have Site Administration throw further support for US-GSD in provisioning bulkhead-operating keycards to further aid with breach response.

I like that idea. if it ends up being denied anyways its understandable, but its just sad that gsd always seem to get the short end of the stick most of the time. I do agree that TRT being able to get C4 to operate was a major win though. If its possible to resolve this problem in RP I would be down for it, heck I would help do it myself if this opportunity arises.

 

[SamPaval]

-support

Most E-11 already hate SCUs as a job cause they are just better e-11 basekit. So giving them another thing E-11 have will be a problem.

And Override on a none regiment/WL job is a no for me in my personal opinion due to the potential of abuse. If you want the blast doors opened. Get in communication with e-11 and or a cl4

2 licenses which 80% of the server has. And a level is not any level of trust. Ive had my licenses for SCU for nearly 4 years. And have been able to play it for 4 years, a decent majority of both servers is in the same boat. The only way to guarantee trust is making it a WL role which defeats the point of SCU which is low pop breach help

 

[Porrin]

And Override on a none regiment/WL job is a no for me in my personal opinion due to the potential of abuse. If you want the blast doors opened. Get in communication with e-11 and or a cl4

That is the thing. Due to E11 hating SCUs you never get a response from them in the first place.

2 licenses which 80% of the server has. And a level is not any level of trust. Ive had my licenses for SCU for nearly 4 years. And have been able to play it for 4 years, a decent majority of both servers is in the same boat. The only way to guarantee trust is making it a WL role which defeats the point of SCU which is low pop breach help

I do not want to accuse anyone of anything, so please take what I am about to say purely as my rational conclusion to this whole ordeal. The WL and liscences work both entirely the same way. Both need to be gained through training and can and will be removed if abused. Saying that one is lesser than the other is completely false. I can see the frustration of E11 regarding SCUs as they see them and come to the conclusion that they are getting their jobs stolen. I do not understand this way of thinking though, since everyone in the facility is supposed to help each other when there is a threat to be dealt with. When there is a code 2 going on, we have no issue with E11 or anybody else coming to assist with a sweep. To me this seems like a tantrum more than an actual reason to not give SCUs the capacity to open blast doors. Yet again, I am in no way in a position to decide what to do regarding this topic. This is entirely a suggestion I had in mind and wished to discuss about it.

 

[Snake]

This suggestion is denied.
While @Emilia Foddg mentions most the points it generally comes down to a lack of oversight to hold them accountable, a lack of trust as levels mean nothing in terms of behaviour. Blast doors are often very effective against scps and even CI and it doesn't make sense for a CL3 non whitelisted job to get it for convenience sake. It would also risk further encroaching onto E11s duties with this which is not the intention. What you describe is a player issue which can be remedied either by having a CL4 come with you however if the breach is contained before 1 person can turn up to open the door the breach was likely not that tricky and E11 did not need your help.
Kind regards,
Snake​